Comments for Obama's Health-Care Plan: Doctors debate pros and cons at http://www.familydoctormag.com , comment 1 to 35 out of 20 comments http://www.familydoctormag.com Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:31:12 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-274 Be truthful. Did you sit there and read every word of all 1200 pages of this bill? My guess is no, you haven't. So stop being a hypocrite. I agree with Mel. - Mike Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:56:09 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-262 Now I'm someone who would benefit from the program. I don't have healthcare. And according to what has been said about the bill, I would get healthcare if it were to pass. But, looking at it from someone who stands to benefit from the bill, I don't agree with it. The way it stands we are all talking about taking from people who worked their entire lives and did things the right way, and give it to the people who havent done things right. I for one know I havent done everything I need to do, and as far as im concerned taxing people who have worked to make good money so they can pay for my health insurance.... honestly I feel insulted. Everyone hates the rich because they have more money then you or I... But thats the idea that pushes the American dream... we all want to get there, we all want to have that money... but what I find so stupid.... is that everyone feels that the world owes them something... that everyone is deserving... that the government and the other people in the USA are there to help take care of them... my only advice is that we should all learn to take care of ourselves... and im no exception... you want health insurance? then go out and make yourself better and leave everyone else alone... the nation was founded on the belief that we can all work to improve ourselves, so rather then sitting there and waiting for the rest of the nation to take care of you help yourself - mel Fri, 26 Feb 2010 09:59:07 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-261 Putting the responsibilties in the government's hands are insanely stupid and dangerous. The people should choose wheather or not they want health insurance. And also, people who are desperate and doesn't care about other people's needs will highly take advantage of this. The waits for seeing the doctor would increase and we'd have to have the doctor's get paid more obviously. If they are doing twice as much work as they used to, what's the point of keeping the same salary? People need to start thinking. Get out of here. - Hannah Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:56:58 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-257 It sounds like you are just settling with the first idea that comes across the board, if it is not what the people want then why should we pass it. You don't make sense. Yes something does need to happen, but not this and we should never settle for what seems okay, think of what we are doing to our country. - CAH Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:57:52 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-241 I am going to be 70 years of age. My father used to say that the doctors make too much money! Then he started having big problems. He started to see doctors and as he got better & better, his attitude toward them changed to "They earn every god-damned penny they make and then some!! Personally speaking, I would rather have a doctor operate on me than a professional athlete, unless he is a professional doctor also. - tom Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:12:11 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-223 First of all whoever said canadian health care is good is obviously wrong, and if you do believe that then stay in YOUR COUNTRY. Don't come to America to get worked on. Because we have better doctors, medicine....... and a lot more. Maybe you think your health care is so great and wonderful but seriously its not. Free health care is so dificult meaning yes its cheap obviously but YOUR DOCTORS SUCK. So in the long run you either have cheap and crappy care or... great doctors who have been educated properly. I went to Canada for a skiing trip and i broke my hand and DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAID : "its very hard to tell which bone is broken" but THEY GAVE ME A FULL CAST. Its more like wtf who are you ? A doctor seriously. Well to move on Obama opened a door so we can dicuss it but for my life I would not pass the 1200 page crap for anything. So thank you Obama for doing that, but thats it :). Why I wouldnt pass it because the Government doesn't make up this country. The PEOPLE DO. But apparently Obama doesnt recognize the other 3 billion people in this country , because if he did he wouldnt want to become a communist country. Because that is exactly what he wants in his health care plan. Meaning he wants the government to tell you what you should get in terms of health. That has always been a peoples decision but obviously its not anymore. - JackT Sun, 03 Jan 2010 02:14:01 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-222 There have been great points put across by many people. Up until now I have been completely against Obama's plan and now I stand on neutral ground. Here is why... Do I think that we need to insure all AMERICANS... YES!!! Do I think that Obama's plan was the direction we should take...Not really, but something needed to happen and up to this point, he is the only one that has made something happen. Everyone complains about how this is not the direction we should be going with health care, problem is that NO ONE ELSE has given a better option or any other option at that. I personally think that the problem lies with Insurance companies and ridiculous amounts of money gotten through lawsuits (can anyone say tort reform!). Do I think that doctors should be sued.. NO, (although there may be the occasional need due to negligence) they are still HUMAN and prone to HUMAN ERROR. I don't think that one person should get rich off another person's mistake. Another point to think about... I have talked to many older experienced doctors in the field of medicine and inquired about their salaries over the last 10 years, they all said it is been cut in half and continues to drop... That's funny doctors are charging more but getting paid less??????? Where is the money going? Insurance companies (malpractice), hospital charges (CEO's need there 500,000 bonuses at Christmas right), drug and equipment reps (some Orthopedic Reps are pulling in 7 figures... more than most doctors... that's strange). There are many other people who are taking the money that the doctors are charging. So in defense of Doctors, of which I am aspiring to become, they are far from the problem, they are just mixed in the middle of it and are the easiest targets. Do I support Obama's bill, if it will get our out of control health care system into check.... Absolutely! - JJ Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:49:53 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-220 Dude, you need to work on your spelling. I don't trust anyone who can't spell "loser" and all the other misspelled words you typed. I also seriously doubt you read the whole bill as well. - Smarter than Manu Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:45:30 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-210 Some of you people are straight up IDIOTS!!! You don't even read the full bill/plan that Obama wants to put in practice and you are willing to sigh your life on it! First of all Obama is the biggest idiot i've ever seen and he doesn't have a clue about conducting a country like ours! He hasn't done anything use full since he has set foot in that office and he wants to pass this health care plan that will ruin America just to get his name out there, that he accomplished something! WOW!! what a looser!.... and many of you guys out there are even worse than him! You have to be the stupidest fool in the universe to agree with "Obama's" health care before you acctually read and understand the full 1200 pages of the bill!!! Well, with that being said im not worried for now because i know for sure the bill will not pass! Nobody wants it exept for the low class people that are too lazy and dumb to get their own insurance!...I know it will not pass since most of the people in congress and in the senate disagree and a lot of those people are democrats! At least they have a tiny piece of brain left! - Manu Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:13:43 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-209 some of you need to think about the 45000 people who die from no health insurance including the 13 from 9/11 who weren't covered either and stop praising the doctors! they know the challenges! remember their not dumb! - Julia Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:23:15 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-198 In response to Obama’s first State of the Union speech, Louisiana's governor Bobby Jindal said: "Republicans … stand for universal access to affordable health-care coverage. What we oppose is universal government-run health care. Health-care decisions should be made by doctors and patients, not by government bureaucrats. We believe Americans can do anything, and if we put aside partisan politics and work together, we can make our system of private medicine affordable and accessible for every one of our citizens." Well, that's a well 'phrased' statement, but the reality is that Doctors and Patients currently do not make their own decisions when it comes to health care, but the Health care Insurance Company makes the decision for the Doctor and the Patient... Obama's Health care Reform is a great idea and should be followed, I have been in Health care for 14 years and it has been getting worse, to put it in layman terms, the Doctor prescribes one thing(IE, a soft Knee Brace, walker) and the insurance company states they will only cover this other thing(IE: a hard knee brace, crutch), they constantly pay for something lesser then what the doctor prescribed or they do not cover what the Doctor prescribed, so hopefully this would put the insurance companies back in check. If you are concerned about the 'wait' times at hospitals and doctors, just switch doctors or hospitals, currently, without this reform it is just as bad or worse, there are month wait times for serious procedures, example, I pay privately now for my services since I decided it is cheaper then paying for insurance, my wife was pregnant, in order to be seen by the local hospital for the first prenatal visit they wanted her to see them in 4 months... .. .. .. what the hell is that? So what did I do? I called every single hospital/Prenatal Doctor around the area until one could see her within the month and I found it. The pregnancy costs me $25k out of pocket, which in the long run is cheaper then paying for insurance(considering the premiums, copays, deductibles, wait times, etc). There is always going to be wait times, with or without health care, it's just a matter of Hospital, Doctors, Clinics, etc to take more responsibility to prioritize. IE: Who should I see first the person with the stuffy nose, or the person who is laying dying in the waiting room, hmm I think a hospital recently made the mistake of picking the person with the runny nose recently right? Well that's a different subject and I just wish people would be logical in their thinking and see that Health care Reform is what this country needs, and it is not fair to compare it to Universal Health care in other countries. It's sort of like you take two people, give them each $1000, one makes that $1000 into $4000 the other one comes back to ask for more because they 'lost' their $1000. You do not know if something or someone will be successful unless giving it the proper chance. We already tried with our current health care system and it does not work, it is not working, it is crippling. So, I say Obama's Health care Reform is a WIN WIN. - Paulo Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:52:50 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-195 Current health insurance and medical bill costs are ludicrous. I have been needing to go to the doctor for some serious medical issues for some time now, but am unable to afford it. To say health care reform is needed would be a gross understatement. But government run health care is NOT THE ANSWER !! Change is most definitely needed, but this isn't it. Time to go back to the drawing board and do what our tax dollars pay you to do. Whatever happened to 'Keep your laws off my body'? Read.... Educate yourself on all the facts... and for the love of God.... Think people. - Dr. Streiland Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:42:19 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-194 I think it is awesome that everyone belives this! Something to think about as we circle the drain of socialism is this: Most other "developed nations" do not have public media. Thats right folks! Our friendly neighbor to the north doesnt even have it! All information leaving those nations is gvmt censored. So do you really believe those statistics? - CkELLY Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:14:27 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-193 I am still wading through the myriad "facts", but I have yet to hear a winning argument. I think part of the problem here is that everyone wants this to be a yes or no, right or wrong, black or white issue. Its just not that simple. Some doctors are overpaid, some are not. Some doctors put patients first, some don't. Some insurance companies can be pretty shady, some are on the up and up. History suggests that this nation has the ability to be extremely innovative. We need to call upon that ingenuity now. What is being missed is that Obama has opened a door that until now has been locked and sealed. It just might prove to be benficial for us to slow down, put the politics aside and really explore this thing. Perhaps its too early to take this to the Senate. There are many universal health care programs in the world now, and if we, dare I say it, research and educate ourselves on what has worked and not worked in those programs, we might be able to come up with something that benefits as many as possible. I don't think anything should be forced down anyones throat either, but the fact is Washington has ignored the people's cries for real change in area of health care for so long that shoving a plan down the throats of the people has started to sound like a good idea to many. I believe most American's can agree that a change needs to happen, and Lord knows that we as a nation screw up from timt to time. Let's stop being afraid to fail, abandon the all or nothing menatality and start moving in a new, hopefully possitive direction. - MS Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:26:44 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-192 Screw the doctors and the insurance companies, all they seem to have is thier profits in thier best interest, does anybody look at thier medical bills? i got seen by an er doctor last year, the emergency room cost was 150 bucks, and the physicians cost was over 400 dollars, FOR 2 MINUTES OF HER TIME?!?!?!? It's ridiculous, there needs to be caps on what physicians and surgeons can charge for different procedures, if a doctor or surgeon works at a hospital then they hospital pays them a SALARY. This is what the cleveland clinic does and that is why they are able to offer world renounced care at the same cost regular hospitals charge. The reform needs to start with the hospitals and the insurance companies, they have been over charging us for medical care for way too long. You don't become a doctor to get rich, you become a doctor to help people. I agree they deserve a nice salary but what they charge for certain things is absolutely ridiculous, and they get away with it because they charge the ins. comapany, which in turn jacks up our rates to unaffordable levels. QUIT BEING SO F****** GREEDY!!!! Some of you doctors out there literally MAKE me sick just thinking about you. ---- Editor's note: Comment edited for language (stars added). Please see our comment policy: http://familydoctormag.com/comment-policy.html . Thank you for commenting. We understand this is a heated debate. - JamesD Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:24:08 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-191 Physicians go to school for OVER 30 years - More than 1/3rd thier entire life just so they can get paid THAT salary. Not many people are that intelligent, dedicated and devoted. Now just because some imbecile dropped out of high school or college doesn't mean the PHYSICIANS have to take the blow for it. This is garbage, if you don't want to pay the health bill, DON'T GET SICK, or move to another country. I might sound heartless, but such is life. It is not the physicians fault that your bad genes made your son have a congenital birth defect. That being said if YOU had the dedication and intelligence they have, why aren't YOU in a career field that can pay the bills? Look at it from the doctors point of view - 1/3rd of their life, gone. - Anonymous Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:27:58 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-190 Barack i love your stuff, But beyonce's was the best ever. - Randy Savage Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:35:09 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-189 yes to everyone having health care!i loss my job and don't have it nor does my kids .HOW CAN I TELL MY TEN YEAR OLD SON THAT HE MAY DIE BECAUSE HE CAN'T GO TO THE DOCTOR BECAUSE OF HIS BAD HEART??? PLEASE TELL ME HOW!!! - TALENA Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:20:41 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-180 I have noticed that a lot of the issues surrounding this topic are cost, and what’s in it for me. I realize that it is truly not fair that I, a hard working citizen, that took out loans for college and bought a home with my own money, and pay my taxes on time, should not be punished by added taxation. However, I feel those of us that make above 250k and have PPO and see the best Doctors almost always forget where we came from. Do you believe that one person you knew should have died because he/she couldn’t pay or afford health insurance? I agree that Doctors are over worked and under paid, but some, seem not to remember the Oath that was taken that day they decided to become a life saver. We speak of immigrants as if all of us are not, just because I am white of native Irish and Spanish decent does not make it right. So I guess my immigrant family should not be allowed to get health care. Folks lets wake up and be a little more educated about the items we cover. Forensic science has taught us we are all connected. Let’s not bring the immigrant card up because everyone deserves to live. Unless, you are a native born American Indian you yes you, you little blue eye tan skin or dark skinned black eyed friend are an immigrant. Must we cover the basics? Obama’s reform will eventually get these worthless insurance companies out and create a more positive experience for all. It’s no secret that these insurance companies are worried and dumping millions into private party’s hands in order for there to be a revolution against. Gosh it’s ridiculous. Well that means I have to pay more in taxes to save a life that made a mistake, let’s do it! Its funny to call yourself a Christian Right Wing Conservative when there is absolutely no practice of the Christian side. Thanks - Jason MBA, CFA, CRPC, APA, P.A Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:52:05 +0100 http://www.familydoctormag.com/doctors-office/1291-obamas-health-care-plan-doctors-debate-pros-and-cons.html#comment-179 The fact that people want to have healthcare is great but we already have medical and medicare that is not being funded enough already for people that do deserve not illegal immigrants if people deserve the health care and actually need the help that is fine but our government should not be putting regulations on our health care making us pay more taxes, we believe in this country that everyone has the opportunity to rise to the top of making money should they be punished for someone who has not worked as hard as another citizen if i was that person i wouldn't want to be them barely making over 250k having to pay more taxes for someone who decided not to go to college and this talk that doctors do not get paid enough is ridiculous think about what doctors have to go through to become a doctor many years of school and then the training they going through your body to help you become healthier because you decided to pay for this to make you live, if anything they are not getting paid enough for all the things they do and the way they discover cures for diseases, it is ignorant to say they get paid way to much Obama's healthcare plan will do some good things and will do some bad things but ask the canadians why they come to the U.S. for surgeries because they are denied in Canada for being an elder which is the worst thing to deny someone of the health because of their age, it is fine to deny someone if they have a smoking addiction or drinking problem because they will probably just go back to drinking and smoking after there surgery anyways The only way to be healthier is just living a healthier life instead of being another part of the overweight statistic or obese, if you work on staying in shape you wont be wasting your money on the doctors office but if you stay in shape anyways and keep your body in shape your still going to pay for you healthcare and tax's on other citizens healthcare which is wrong. Think about if your in good shape and do everything write and this other person isn't, why should you be forking over your money to them to get better when there just going to be going back to the habits of not eating well if its liposuction or if its smoking or drinking they go back to it most of the time. I do not think it is worth wasting are money on, to help people who are not going to change and go back to there old ways. - DJ Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:44:07 +0100